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Chartered CIPD - what is it equivalent to?

Jason Fox

Hello CIPD peeps

I have been asked a few times exactly what the Chartered CIPD qualification is equivalent to in academic terms, and am struggling to evidence this online here.

 Is it a post graduate diploma? At what level is it considered?

 Any pointers helpful - many thanks.

  • Echoing David's previous comment about 'facts' - I think the facts appear yet to be established in terms of CIPD thinking and benchmarking which gives acceptance to the core grades of membership, which appear to be leading some to study a variety of paths which may (or may not) lead them to succesful membership at whatever level.

    I definitely think its worthy of someone involved in CIPD grading to jump in here and establish the train of thought, especially for others considering the various paths to membership grades...

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    It is interesting to follow some of the above
    arguments and debates on what are the equivalent of CIPD professional
    qualifications in comparison to other professional qualifications. I enrolled
    on the old CIPD own Stages 1 & 2 External Examinations with a BTEC (HND)
    entry qualification in Personnel Management, which presumably is equivalent to
    a degree qualification. On successful completion of the course, I received the
    CIPD Graduate Membership Award. At that time, anyone with a Masters' degree
    could become a Graduate Member via an exemption of the old CIPD Stage 2
    External Examinations.
    From what I can gather, a CIPD Graduate Membership
    achieved via an academic entry qualification such as a degree or its
    equivalent; would be ultimately equivalent to a "Masters' Degree" or
    to an NVQ accredited level 7. In terms of its relevance and application to a
    "Work Place Competences", Competences and practical demonstrations
    were part of the course. The CIPD Graduate Membership course involved for an
    example, a number of attendances at a Residential Skills Centre. The Institute
    assessed our skills during the residential course, on Recruitment, Negotiation,
    Disciplinary and Grievance interviewing Skills.
    In addition to this, a Work Placement Assessment Project carried in a
    real life scenario offered us a Hands-on work related experience. I am having
    difficulty in understanding the CIPD stand in as far as Human Resources
    Authenticity and Professionalism is concerned in comparison with other professions
    such as Medical Doctors, Accountants etc. No person can become a medical doctor
    purely on the Job experience. He or she must attain the medical academic
    studies and relevant professional qualifications before they can become a
    qualified doctor. Unlike Human Resources, an individual could through promotion
    from grass route, become a Human Resources Manager and could even become an
    Associate CIPD via APL (    Accreditation of
    Prior Experiential Learning) assessment as mentioned later in the debate.
    My other concern as
    far as trying to ascertain what being, “CIPD qualified” means is the
    integration of Graduate Membership qualification with that of Associate
    membership. I believe that the value placed on the Graduate membership of CIPD
    is much higher than that of an Associate yet both grades were lumped into one.
     The CIPD needs to define clearly its’
    Boundaries, Authenticity and Close Shop at the three stages of CIPD Memberships
    and explain the Ownership of Skills to various Employers and organisations when
    recruiting for new staff in the field of Human Resource Management. The
    Institute should not allow Individuals who have no CIPD qualifications to
    become a HR Manager if CIPD were in comparison and in line with other
    Professions mentioned earlier.

  • Hi Josy and Jason

     Sadly, no-one from CIPD has deigned to comment upon my previous post, of  22 August. so I remain a bit perplexed - along with you, Josy.

  • I'll try - although to be fair Frances did contribute a pretty lengthy post and a follow-up.

    Steve 

  • I've only just noticed this thread and have been reading with interest!  It's a subject dear to my heart as one of my greatest regrets is the choice I made many years ago between doing a degree or doing my CIPD, when offered sponsorship by Tesco.  I chose the degree and thoroughly enjoyed gaining my BSc in Psychology, most of which included getting 1sts in modules on occupational psychology, experimental psychology, research, psychometrics, systems thinking and so on (which are lots of things which have come in handy working in HR, and none of which can be counted towards CIPD).

    It hasn't been a problem until recent years, and previously I wouldn't have changed a thing, but now I find that I am not valued in my chosen profession of the past 27 years because I am not CIPD qualified.  When returning to the profession after a break with my children I end up having to take a lowly assistant job on half the salary I used to earn. Thankfully, I have been promoted twice and am now back to the level I was before (albeit temporarily), as I have been able to prove what I know and what I can do.  But still that holy grail of being thought of at MCIPD level eludes me (well, at the moment, any way!). The deadline of needing to complete my PAC by Dec 2013 is weighing heavily at the moment - I love my work and I like to spend my time outside work researching the issues I face 'here and now' so that I can make a valuable contribution to the organisation I work for (and this forum is invaluable for that).  I don't like having to keep on documenting what I have done over the years (as I have to do for the PAC) in order to prove that I can match someone who has been to night school for a couple of years.  It's a bit frustrating to think that when I get MCIPD it probably won't mean much in comparison to other professions.  It should, in my mind, show that not only am I academically comparable to a post grad, but also that I have the practical experience to do the job competently. 

    Anyway, rant over.  I should have gone to night school for a couple of years!   I think I might file some more documents in my PAC portfolio before going to sleep tonight!   When I do get MCIPD, I will post a "cheer" on here! 

  • Hi Tina

    I do feel considerable sympathy for you, harking back to my own admission days, when competence in key stuff, such as Social Psychology would decidedly  count for a considerable something towards ultimate professional CIPD membership, and it seems you may be being driven down unnecessarily-prescriptive pathways. 

    I  also have to note that no-one from CIPD has yet answered my previous, broader,  query, either.

  • Hi Tina

    I came accross this thread whilst thinking about what else I can do post PAC.

    I don't know if you have completed your PAC but if I can help you feel free to message me.  I found mine a long old slog, paired with working full time and being a mum and housewife!

    Rachel.

  • Oh no - I shivered when I heard the word PAC and have total sympathy for you Tina (hopefully now complete?).

    I started up another thread to find out what others had chosen to do in their HR careers for their own development here...but the thread didnt get a massive response.

     http://www.cipd.co.uk/community/subjects/subject/discussion.aspx?PostID=219277

     Perhaps second time round maybe Rachel - thanks for bumping it!

  • Thank you Rachel and Jason.  I just can't resist adding another post to this as, yes, I have finally completed PAC!  Confirmation came through today!

    It was indeed a very long slog but, strangely, I am very tempted to go for fellow now.  Glutton for punishment!

  • Congratulations: Very well done Tina.

     Take a break over Christmas at least :-)

    P