Recruiting from the EU in the event of No Deal

I read a report from an anonymous civil servant that No Deal planning is actually well-advanced and it is part of the Government's scare tactics to pretend that it isn't:

www.politicshome.com/.../anonymous-civil-servant-blasts-claims-uk-not-prepared-no

The Port of Calais has been preparing for No Deal for a year to keep the lorries rolling:

www.express.co.uk/.../Brexit-news-no-deal-Theresa-May-port-delays-BBC-Today-Calais-Dover-EU

It would be a gross dereliction of duty for the government to call a referendum, vote to trigger Article 50 and then do no planning. Little deals are being done on medicine, flights, driving licenses etc. I suspect that it will be the 'little people' on the ground who will make Brexit work.

As far as I can see, the EU has conceded absolutely nothing in these 'negotiations' and we have conceded everything. The EU has a £90 billion surplus in goods with us. They will be hit harder by tariffs than we would. Our economy is based around services. If there is 'friction' at the borders and e.g. lorry-loads of Spanish tomatoes are delayed at Calais, who is going to suffer the most? The EU needs our trade, our money, our fishing waters, our defence and security co-operation and access to our jobs market. Sadly, we have a government which doesn't want to leave and hence doesn't want to use these points to our advantage.

Daniel

What right does someone have to negotiate an exit? its our choice and decision, so why would anyone concede? Are you clear on what we have asked for and not got?

I fear that we are straying off topic, but sticking to the original thread, we employ significantly more Europeans than Europeans employ British people. We have made precisely no concessions, just asked for things. The fact remains that if any country can't send its people or goods to us economically, they'll send them somewhere else - probably to one of the 27 countries that they have free movement of goods and people to. To imagine that we are propping up other economies is fallacy.

Unemployment rate for European immigrants is 1/4 of the UK indigenous population. Our economy is, as has been the case for 60 years, propped up by unskilled foreign labour. Even the UK government concedes that we have huge shortages in both skilled and unskilled roles, with a ready market available 22 miles away, and we are cutting of the supply. As I stated before, of course we may have a system to allow entry for workers, but our attractiveness - economically and emotionally - will be permanently diminished. The jobs drain has already begun and will only get worse.

An awful lot of political points there Daniel for someone who wanted to avoid politics :-) :-)

I think I'll just shut up now...

I am a little wary of this thread. It was started by Daniel who was asking what appeared to be a genuine question about recruitment. It then becomes apparent that he supports Brexit quite strongly (in which case i am unsure why he is asking the question as surely no-one with any sense vote for something without knowing what the implications were). Then if anyone suggests that Brexit may not be a good idea he then criticizes people for making political points, before quoting from the Express as if it is a reliable source of information!

I think this thread should be deleted really as it is clear now that Daniel's original question wasn't genuine

I think if you read the first page of this thread all contributors pretty much avoid the politics of the actual Brexit vote. I think Daniel's opening question was genuine, so I'm not going to delete the thread. People can choose whether or not to add to the debate... but I'd prefer we didn't stray too far from the original question. Maybe that horse has bolted ;)

Teresa, I started this thread with the intention of asking if the CIPD or any HR colleagues have any information on what the government is proposing on recruitment post-Brexit. I deliberately avoided making any comments on the rights and wrongs of Brexit. I then had two contributors choose to make anti-Brexit comments, which was not the intention of the post. I find it difficult not to respond when people are making points which I disagree with, especially when they are making the usual lazy assumptions that Brexiteers (myself included) are all stupid and racist.

I voted knowing that it would mean leaving fully the EU. It is then for the government to work out the logistics of making that happen (they called the referendum and voted to trigger article 50). So far they have signally failed to do that.

However, this is not a political blog, and I will make no further comments on this thread and would suggest that we leave it here. I don't doubt that the CIPD will update us when there is any information to be shared .

Time to close.

Daniel - no-one called you either stupid or racist - that is fake news and an ad hominem attack and you should apologise. You are playing the man, and not the ball. Your questions was answered with the same level of frustration about the process as you, and moderators confirm that the answers were not partisan. Only one person was.

Let's leave it there and I - or Derek Tong - will post updates as we release them.