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Candidates interviewing employers

Hi everyone, hope I'm posting in the right place. I have a 7000 dissertation coming up and am trying to think of a topic. I'm really interested in dysfunctional workplaces as I think there's an epidemic of them, at least here in the UK, and that's why productivity and mental health is suffering. I think it won't be long before candidates interviewing employers becomes the norm as more candidates become aware of how to spot a dysfunctional workplace and it's this topic I'd like to explore in my dissertation. I'd be interested to hear other people's views on this.

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  • Hi Catherine

    You seem to have several hypotheses:

    * Many workplaces are dysfunctional,
    * That is the cause of productivity and mental health suffering
    * Candidates will become more aware of how to spot a dysfunctional workplace
    * Candidates will start interviewing employers as a result.

    For a 7000 word dissertation, I’d suggest you pick one hypothesis. I would also think about how you will gather data and analyse it to see if it supports your hypothesis or not. I think you will struggle to carry out a credible piece of research if you want to investigate broad trends in society such as these.
  • I tend to agree with Elizabeth that your scope is too wide and too far ranging to get down to 7,000 words - just a literature review would probably go way over that on that range.

    The one where I think you could add most value and conduct a good piece of work is Elizabeth's 4th question. As Peter says there is always an element of recruitment being a two way process. I wonder if you could design some research that tested this and see if it varied with level/seniority, age , gender etc? Also what actual triggers or signs potential employees were looking for - and where in the process these were?

    Is it "interviews" or a number of signs along the way? How much research do candidates actually do on employers (and again does this vary?)

    How much weight do candidates put on some/all of the various bench marks (Best Companies, IiP etc) and if an employer has these how does it affect their decision making process?

    Is Glassdoor any more than a niche of a niche in the UK?

    How equal is the recruitment process for some/many candidates - my experience is that very few people offered a job turn it down - is this because they pre select out the process earlier (and if so when/why) or is it because candidates are willing to ignore even pretty big warning signs on culture fit to get that job?

    7000 words will rush by
  • …and there was I thinking that for the last thirty years or so my management colleagues and I had been doing that but without the long words! Well, well… One lives and learns....

    It still doesn't change the essential functionality of the relationship. An employee might want to work for a given employer, but on the day it's the employer that makes the choice, and skill shortages do not alter that fact, because taking on an employee on "their" dictated terms simply to get a left-threaded widget-maker on board is not going to happen, because, if it came to that, the employer(s) would simply shift investment to training more widget-makers!

    Good employers do not suffer staff shortages, but neither do poor employees get appointed to good employers, no matter how short the supply of their skill-set and smart their interview technique. An incompetent, stroppy, lazy or dishonest widget maker is still not going to get employed!

    (For long)

    ...Because they have no net value to the business: They are NOT a human "resource", they are an unpredictable liability and thus a drain on its other resources. (Thus making it dysfunctional) :-)

    You are of course entitled to your opinion, but your question was did the community think spotting dysfunctional workplaces was a good dissertation topic, based on your suppositions. Something approaching a century of accumulated experience, from colleagues above and I, has suggested it is not, since your fundamental premise is not sustainable (whatever its current profile in media reporting etc.).

    There is no "epidemic of dysfunctionality". There is no way the "balance of decision" (it is not "power") can shift from recruiter to candidate, and the choice of who works for whom has been a universally balanced one since the last traditional industries providing the ONLY employment in a given area collapsed in the early '80s, and in many industries and roles since long before that.

    I, and I am sure others above, have answered you as best we can and in good faith (we have no reason to do otherwise). We have separately reflected upon the facts as we know them to be; not politics, philosophies, agendas or any other motivation than to simply answer what you asked.

    You have that answer and I wish you well with your dissertation, whatever its subject.

    P
  • With all my respects, your comment about these ‘great men’ in history sound a bit arrogant (if you need some examples of great women in history, google it). It adds no value to the conversation and repeat the same idea that has already been said. Disappointed to read this here.
  • Hallo and welcome Elena

    I’m disappointed too, to read of your rather startling criticisms of me, seemingly about my alleged arrogance and sexism.

    Personal disparagement of this kind is not at all justified as a response to my comments, I’d suggest - nor very appropriate within this Forum either.
  • I think it's a bit of a reach to suggest that David is either arrogant or sexist by briefly mentioning a couple of historical scientists and failing to include Marie Currie!

    David is a hugely valued member of this community and has taken the time on many occasions to give advice to other members including me. I have never had cause to think that he is either sexist or arrogant.

    As you're new to the community I'll assume that you misunderstood the tone of his post.
  • Hi Elena

    It's a shame that the first time you are moved to post, you have made a personal attack on another contributor. In this community we usually manage to disagree respectfully. You think David's comment sounds 'a bit arrogant' and 'adds no value'. I think your suggestion that David should Google great women in history sounds deliberately impertinent. I know you are misinterpreting David; I hope I am misinterpreting you.
  • I don't like this answer at all. Very one sided, I will probe into any potential employer. I want to work for a good organisation just as much as they want a good employee.
  • I think probably Catherine (who started the thread) and maybe others would agree with you. Many experienced colleagues who have contributed above have questioned certain assumptions. I think this probably demonstrates some of the obvious cultural / generational tensions... and perhaps the evolving theory vs the practical realities.
  • Of course you will. But however much you may want to work for them, you do not get to make that choice, and never could, otherwise every other applicant who believes they will be a good employer would also chose to work for them: So one vacancy would be filled by (potentially) dozens of people turning up for work on Monday!

    However much you may not like it: the employer will ALLWAYS be the one to choose who they want. The Candidate can decline the offer (for whatever reason), so no-one is forced to work for any given employer (any longer) by survival-need or circumstances, but no candidate gets to make the "positive" choice to be chosen (all else being equal).

    Hence the right way to ensure that choice is made in your favour is to be good at doing the job required, and able to demonstrate that fact with your CV or application, not to be good at identifying the employers you would like to work for, or which might be dysfunctional

    There is certainly an advantage in knowing which employers to avoid, but that will never ensure you are chosen by a good one, no matter how many "scandals" are disclosed or "epidemics" of dysfunctionality there may be.

    (Currently: None more than there have ever been, but maybe more disclosed).

    Candidate selection IS one sided, so if your implication was that I too am an arrogant sexist dinosaur I feel you might like to apologise.

    P

  • ...so if your implication was that I too am an arrogant sexist dinosaur I feel you might like to apologise

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    I don't think that was the implication at all, Peter.

  • Correct Steve, I didn't imply anything. I have turned down offers on more than one occasion because I didn't get a good impression from the interviewers. I'm glad I did because I absolutely love my current job.

    *Edit: I hope this is useful to directing your research Catherine. 

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  • Correct Steve, I didn't imply anything. I have turned down offers on more than one occasion because I didn't get a good impression from the interviewers. I'm glad I did because I absolutely love my current job.

    *Edit: I hope this is useful to directing your research Catherine. 

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