Audi apprentice in Reading - comments from coroner - what are your thoughts?

Hi all, you may have seen this story, this link is for the BBC version: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-40052026

Whilst I would agree there were several contributing factors to this young man's untimely death I do find it surprising that the company was not found to be negligent in any way despite - amongst other factors - evidence from the boy's PC plus the burns witnessed by his parents.  And Audi are curiously silent, I have yet to read any comments which might help to restore their credibility as a responsible employer. 

This tragic case contrasts the case of another youngster who was bullied by his workmates, two of whom were found guilty in a court case, link for the case if you are unfamiliar: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-36522872

I would be interested to hear other views on the very sad Audi case.  It has made a very sad end to my week.

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  • I think its quite a risk to substitute ones own feelings for those of a Coroner who has heard all the details and is acting within the guidelines of the law...in the words of the report

    "Mr Cheese's family asked for neglect from Audi to form part of the coroner's conclusion but Mr Bedford said the legal requirement for this had not been met."

    Clearly this was a very troubled young man who had many things going on in his life - equally the paper could have majored on another ex serviceman taking their own life

  • It is a minor point but this young man worked for the Sytner Group and not Audi.
    There are plenty of organisation which unofficially condone 'horse play' and 'banter' right up to the moment things go wrong when they are shocked to find out such things happen and seek to improve their policies.
    I do however, fully agree with Keith, we are not in full possession of the facts of this case and so whilst the obvious anguish of the parents is understandable, it does not mean the coroner made a mistake.
  • In my (extensive) experience, motor trade fitters and their managers / proprietors are on the very far to extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to failure to adopt anything like 21st century employment practices - equality of opportunity etc. usually being an alien concept there.

    So, bullying / harassment / beasting / brutal and degrading 'initiation ceremonies' / etc are I'm sure still commonplace within many garages: big ones with an established cadre of apprentices are probably far worse than Fred and just one apprentice in his shed.

    Things are changing, but those presently in command will need to be replaced by the next generation before significant progress can be made.

    (Similar applies to the whole of what's left of the engineering sector, but garages tend to be particularly bad)

    ps

    once upon a time, I was charged with encouraging local garages to take on at least some female apprentices - not exactly 'mssion impossible' but something of a challenge!

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  • In my (extensive) experience, motor trade fitters and their managers / proprietors are on the very far to extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to failure to adopt anything like 21st century employment practices - equality of opportunity etc. usually being an alien concept there.

    So, bullying / harassment / beasting / brutal and degrading 'initiation ceremonies' / etc are I'm sure still commonplace within many garages: big ones with an established cadre of apprentices are probably far worse than Fred and just one apprentice in his shed.

    Things are changing, but those presently in command will need to be replaced by the next generation before significant progress can be made.

    (Similar applies to the whole of what's left of the engineering sector, but garages tend to be particularly bad)

    ps

    once upon a time, I was charged with encouraging local garages to take on at least some female apprentices - not exactly 'mssion impossible' but something of a challenge!

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