As far as I know that simply is the standard way to calculate a day's pay for payroll purposes for salaried staff. That's certainly how our local authority payroll provider does it. If your payroll provider works in hours, then surely they can just multiply the number of days by the standard number of hours in a day to get the same result in hours? ;-)

Hi Zoe

I'm assuming this is regarding TTO support staff.

Calculations for TTO staff are different for all year workers, as contractual working days are very different month to month due to school holidays, and you have the banking of pay to ensure staff receive pay equally across the year (e.g. pay in August).

The calculation you have stated works on the salary spread across 12 months and not the actual pay earned/lost - you need to use hourly rate to calculate the actual figure to be deducted.

The calculation for TTO support staff is similar to teachers, where you divide the annual salary by either 195 (contracted annual working days) for day rate or 1265 (contracted annual hours) for hourly rates.

Hope this helps!

In reply to Kimberly:

When it comes to TTO staff, I put down the payroll and back away slowly and carefully.... :-D

In reply to Kimberly:

Thanks for your response, apologies though I think I didn't frame my question properly. I was wondering if any one knew why so many schools, academies and LAs use the formula I have described (instead of deducting in hours). This is used for all support staff, not just TTO - I believe using the actual salary rather than the FTE is a token effort to acknowledge the various working weeks as the part time element is already taken account of). It's actually hugely beneficial to the employee as it works out much lower than say, 6 hours at the hourly rate. It also doesn't acknowledge a scenario when an employees hours are unequally split over the week. But nethertheless they persist with it! I've seen it used in literally hundreds of schools and always put it down to yet another weird quirk/joy of working in education. I agree the method you've described is more logical, so I was wondering if anyone knew a reference point for the other method, if that makes sense!

In reply to Jacqueline:

You are very wise!

In reply to Zoe:

By using that formula you are overpaying TTO staff.

There was a shift with the green book in 2019 to try to tidy up TTO calculations as it is a bit of a free for all as there are no nationally published calculations, and from experience, not many people involved with TTO fully understand the calculations.

There are many accepted ways of calculating pay and believe the main thing is to be fair, consistent and transparent with staff.

In reply to Jacqueline:

Yes agreed, it's definitely the most common one I have come across but that could be a geographical thing - the schools I'm familiar with are based in 5 or 6 adjacent LAs.