Recruiting from the EU in the event of No Deal

I am studiously avoiding the politics of this, but I think the essence of if will pivot round one of three outcomes - one, the deal proposed by the PM is agreed by the House, and therefore the transition arrangements are in play. This is exceptionally unlikely. Second, there is no deal, at which point we realise that there is currently no agreed Plan B. Regardless of the regulations surrounding it, and how quickly a solution, points or skills based can be cobbled together, I think that the likelihood of an EU national choosing to come to the UK range from slim to none, certainly in the short term and until there is clarity one way or the other. Current arrangements cannot continue, as we have no clarity on whether free movement of British citizens will continue, so its not status quo, and at the moment not even quid pro quo. The third option, which looks more likely, is that all bets are off, and not only don't we know the decision that may be taken, at the moment it looks likely that the House will drive the agenda rather than the PM or the Government, in a welcome outbreak of democracy which looks more likely than not to lead to a General Election and - as a minimum - an extension.

From my own experience the impact of the uncertainty is clear and prescient now, and I know for a fact many EU nationals are leaving the UK, leaving behind attractive jobs - but with no-one to fill them.

I hope I have avoided a partisan view point...

We can only wait to see how events play out. Will May resign if she is heavily defeated? Would this mean a Brexiteer PM put in place or a General Election? Will the Grieve-led rebels 'take back control' and cancel the whole thing?

One can only assume that some clever people in the Civil Service are war-gaming every possible outcome. May is at pains to say that it's 'her deal, no deal or no Brexit' but I would hope that a responsible government is prepared for every eventuality.

I think I'll just shut up now...

I am a little wary of this thread. It was started by Daniel who was asking what appeared to be a genuine question about recruitment. It then becomes apparent that he supports Brexit quite strongly (in which case i am unsure why he is asking the question as surely no-one with any sense vote for something without knowing what the implications were). Then if anyone suggests that Brexit may not be a good idea he then criticizes people for making political points, before quoting from the Express as if it is a reliable source of information!

I think this thread should be deleted really as it is clear now that Daniel's original question wasn't genuine

I think if you read the first page of this thread all contributors pretty much avoid the politics of the actual Brexit vote. I think Daniel's opening question was genuine, so I'm not going to delete the thread. People can choose whether or not to add to the debate... but I'd prefer we didn't stray too far from the original question. Maybe that horse has bolted ;)

Teresa, I started this thread with the intention of asking if the CIPD or any HR colleagues have any information on what the government is proposing on recruitment post-Brexit. I deliberately avoided making any comments on the rights and wrongs of Brexit. I then had two contributors choose to make anti-Brexit comments, which was not the intention of the post. I find it difficult not to respond when people are making points which I disagree with, especially when they are making the usual lazy assumptions that Brexiteers (myself included) are all stupid and racist.

I voted knowing that it would mean leaving fully the EU. It is then for the government to work out the logistics of making that happen (they called the referendum and voted to trigger article 50). So far they have signally failed to do that.

However, this is not a political blog, and I will make no further comments on this thread and would suggest that we leave it here. I don't doubt that the CIPD will update us when there is any information to be shared .

Time to close.

Daniel - no-one called you either stupid or racist - that is fake news and an ad hominem attack and you should apologise. You are playing the man, and not the ball. Your questions was answered with the same level of frustration about the process as you, and moderators confirm that the answers were not partisan. Only one person was.

Let's leave it there and I - or Derek Tong - will post updates as we release them.

Let's call it 'quits'. In my experience, asking for apologies never satisfies either party/parties (and more work for me). Let's move on (see my post above).

Dermot, I think if you read the posts of yourself and the other two commentators who chose to make this a political discussion you will see the phrases such as "shameful, destructive, divisive, xenophobic, jingoistic" etc etc. We can all agree that the process has been badly managed by the government, but smearing everyone who voted to Leave in these terms is this reason why politics has become so "divisive."

Anyway, I think we are done here so I bid you good day!

I did not use any of those terms. I did not smear anyone. I did not - specifically not - mention politicians, parties or either side of the leave debate in any terms. I did not say whether I voted to leave or remain, I discussed the issue(s) you presented. You chose to start a political debate, then took umbrage at dissenting opinions to your own.

I did not use any of those terms. I did not smear anyone. I did not - specifically not - mention politicians, parties or either side of the leave debate in any terms. I did not say whether I voted to leave or remain, I discussed the issue(s) you presented. You chose to start a political debate, then took umbrage at dissenting opinions to your own.