Hi all,
First time that I need to do this, can anyone give generic advice as to how to approach this in the most delicate ways?
Well within probation but just really not working out.
Many thanks in advance.
Hi all,
First time that I need to do this, can anyone give generic advice as to how to approach this in the most delicate ways?
Well within probation but just really not working out.
Many thanks in advance.
In reply to Nomi :
The clue was in the title and in 90+ % of cases this is what happensIn reply to Lisa:
Have you checked ACAS? They are quite good at setting out step by step what you should do in these kinds of meetings :)In reply to Rosie :
we have just set it out in a practical way having actually done it successfully thousands of timesIn reply to Peter Stanway:
Sorry Peter, did you mean to reply to me there? Not sure I follow. Would you not recommend ACAS then?In reply to Peter Stanway:
ACAS just has more details sometimes, with letter templates etc. - I wasn't implying your advice was sub par or anything eepIn reply to Lisa:
Hi LisaIn reply to Nomi :
What if the individual does potentially a protected characteristic?
Disability - ADHD?
This wasn't formally disclosed but we aware.
They are still on probation.
This is different to the other situation I posted about earlier.
Many Thanks!
In reply to Lorraine:
You need to be able to demonstrate what the real reasons for the dismissal were. If you don't give someone real reasons with practical examples, it leaves it open to them to speculate whether it was because of a protected characteristic, so that's another reason for not shying away from spelling things out very clearly.
Of course, you can give the real reasons with factual examples and the employee might not believe you and might still attribute their dismissal to discrimination. If someone is determined to do this, they will. But if they then bring a claim and you are able to muster the evidence of the issues with their performance such as the failure to follow safeguarding procedures (as was one of the problems in this case) then you have a chance for the employee to get a different perspective via Acas. If there is still no getting through to them then a tribunal will not usually go hunting around for a different motivation for the dismissal if there is an actual reason which is well supported by evidence that pre-dates the decision to dismiss rather than being cobbled together after it as a justification.
Also, it is not enough for the person just to bring out their protected characteristic like dealing an ace from a pack of cards. They have to trace a line from your knowledge of their characteristic to your behaviour.
In reply to Elizabeth Divver:
Thank you Elizabeth. Really there has been an build up of instances which are causing us to look at dismissal. The individual has:In reply to Lorraine:
If the behaviour could be a consequence of a disability, and it really sounds as if it could be, I would not make a move without an OH report. If it turns out that the behaviour is caused by ADHD, and if the behaviour is not safe around machinery and forklifts, then as well as asking for recommendations on adjustments which you will then weigh up to see if they are reasonable, I'd want to know if there was anything else that could help the person without causing another risk (e.g. drowsiness caused by drug therapy when operating heavy machinery). Ultimately, it can never be a reasonable adjustment to tolerate risky behaviour. You have to address this, and it can't be allowed to continue, but you need OH in order to know whether you are on a conduct or capability track. Either track has two possible outcomes: performance improves or it doesn't and employment terminates, but how you get there is crucial.
In reply to Elizabeth Divver:
Thank you Elizabeth. That's a huge help. I've been speaking with OH providers over the last week or so anyway as we don't currently have one in place.Visit the main CIPD website
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